Although Govan was the stated setting for the show, episodes were seldom filmed there. Great memories. You Wine Alley Govan Team were shite begs. We were also in the Choir at Govan Parish church and in the B.B. My name is James Murray, my dad Edward Murray grew up in Govan. As the rate of urbanisation has increased in the last 30 years, the government capacity to support the disadvantaged within this sphere has in many cases failed. The SNP won another by-election victory in 1988, this time with Jim Sillars as candidate. 25 bus to the Gladstone Gospel Hall at the corner of Golspie St and Logie St. There was a chapel in the parish at Partick. I now live in Scotstoun but attend same dentist at Water Row Govan! HAPPY TIMES. As a result, it proved very simple for them to track the gang movements on a day-to-day basis. My mother and grandfather raised me alongside my two sisters and three brothers and various in-laws who moved in and out of the home through the years. When we moved to Nitshill in 1060, I realised how much I had loved Govan. Everyone used our street for roller skating, we called it thd smoothie! No1seems2care. Memories of our workers are Nancy, Margret-Anne and various others, oh and not forgetting Speedy. Does anyone remember my dad Iain Campbell and mother Margaret Marshall born 1921 and 1922? I was born in Govan in 1948 and lived with my grannie in Vicarfield Street, opposite the school. It has taken Govan many years to heal and the spare grounds and scars are all nearly gone. So, at the age of 46 I started three years of studies with projects that involved Govan Initiative and Glasgow University until I was finally accepted as a full-time student at Glasgow. We visited Govan in recent years and is not the same place anymore. Yet, there is still much to show that community power is not only real but can work effectively. The wine in the Wine Alley nickname was not expensive red and whites like Beaujolais and merlot. My mother was born at 68 Harmony Row in 1924, when she was about 10 she was sent to Dand's Drapers on Langlands Road to buy thread for a neighbour and got her finger caught in the door which resulted in losing the tip of it which gave her years of pain, on a lighter note on the subway to hospital she had to pace up and down with pain which resulted in her leaving the subway with her pockets jingling. Introduction In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. Moorepark is a small area in the Scottish city of Glasgow. Later that year Burnside was handed a 12-year prison sentence at the High Court in Glasgow following an 18-day trial, while his three associates got terms of between five and seven years. I was born in Southern General 1971, lived in 1 Elder Street with my mum Ina Quinn and dad Peter Quinn, brothers and sister. Over the years the Wine Alley had been severely neglected by the council and in the 1980s like a lot of places in Britain people were faced with high unemployment, drug abuse and crime, it continued to get worse and the homes were in such a bad state due to continued council neglect and lack of investment that they were demolished by 1995 and the people scattered to the 4 corners of Govan and beyond.http://www.acumfaegovan.com Their powerlessness in this matter soon became clear when Moorepark was deliberately targeted as a dumping ground for Glasgows homeless, those on low incomes, and people with few housing points who were enabled to jump the waiting list if they accepted a house in the scheme. The lack of house building was not only an added threat to the existing shops and services but also to community life which was struggling just to survive because of the lack of houses. I was the smallest and skinniest one there, there were about 10 of us up on the dyke, they're all shouting at me, so I shouts I'm just gettting ready. Many memories but top must be winning Whitefield Cup with Under 13s against Lourdes in 1962 by 7-6. I remember that when he told me that he had studied at university and that what he was now doing was his job I laughed at his education and his job. 4, Soon, the housing scheme had a bad name. I can remember having to use the toilet on the landing using a massive key to open the door. This latter kingdom, established in the aftermath of the Viking siege and capture of Alt Clut by Vikings from Dublin in AD 870, created the sandstone sculptures known today as the Govan Stones. I didn't open my mouth, I was sure I was going to jail. I remember our next door neigbours on the ground floor the Meechans and particularly John,who was around the same age as myself. I used to go there with my Mum to Woolworths, they had shoe shops and everything you wanted. In its turn, this attitude helped create the malignant tales about people who lived there as being nothing but thieves, layabouts and drunks. It also told them that he was changing the vehicles and registration numbers to avoid detection. Show More . For instance, leaky, crumbling roofs were never repaired during the improvements nor were rotten, draught-causing window frames replaced while the backcourt midden arrangements remained as inadequate as ever. Below are memories and stories about Govan posted by visitors to the site. 199310 Scottish Charity No. The estate was acquired in the 1870s by the Glasgow and South Western Railway Company and the mansion house was demolished. 100m Freshair Salon . Ah! So, has Glasgow and other cities always been in the hands of comprehensive planners who take an overview of all the parties involved? Community Centre & Play-Park in the Wine Alley, Govan. Eventually, my dad arrived asking if anyone had handed in a wee lassie. 2 Markus, 1993, p. 148 The Moorepark area is served by Ibrox subway station on the Glasgow Subway system,[15] which is located on the corner of Copland Road and Woodville Street. In the early medieval period, the site of the present Govan Old churchyard was established as a Christian centre for the Brittonic Kingdom of Alt Clut (Dumbarton Rock) and its successor realm, the Kingdom of Strathclyde. The spin put on the regeneration programmes of the past have put too much emphasis on bricks and mortar rather than helping people deal with their own problems themselves. [10], Not much is known about any medieval village that may have surrounded the church until 1454 when it is recorded that whole houses, barns and mills in the village were brought down by a great flood. During the two-week surveillance every addict who called at Burnside's flat for drugs was then arrested by the team and questioned. Govan is served by community radio station Sunny Govan, broadcasting on 103.5FM to the city of Glasgow and surrounding districts, discussing local issues and providing advice, and with diverse musical output covering soul, hip-hop and reggae. Was never out your streets up the fighting lol Peg & the Fleet pussies,Possil Border kicked your assesmany times. [20], Traditionally viewed as a lower working-class area, Govan has typically supported the Labour Party, but the Scottish National Party (SNP) has also been strong there. Old Photographs Govan Glasgow Scotland tourscotland 31K subscribers 111 27K views 5 years ago Tour Scotland wee video of old photographs of Govan, Glasgow, on the south bank of the River Clyde,. 13 Bailey and Hastings, 2004, p. 92 Looking at Govan when it was a village, and film of how it grew into a town, we felt very proud of being born and raised in dear auld Govan. Drug and alcohol abuse was a widespread problem and unemployment stood at 30% - three times the national average. I went to Hillstrust School until I was 10 then we moved to Nitshill which I was not so fond of, Govan was a great place to live we were always putting on concerts round the backs and folk would hang out the windows to watch the performance there was always stuff going on or buss-runs that our streets would organise and the Govan Fair, Govanites were great. The authors would like to thank Glasgow Braendam Link, The Faith in Community (Scotland) Transformation Team, Oxfams UK Poverty Programme, and the Poverty Alliance for suggesting the idea of this project for the worlds Poverty Day on October 17th 2005. 11 a.m.-8 p.m. Monday . I went to St Gerard's and I loved the kids there they were poor but happy. Would love to hear from you. Next thing I know, this policeman appeared, he looked like a giant and he asked me what was I doing. My Gran Haggerty lived in 3 Helen Street Govan (above the CO OP). Not a penny in our pockets other than the price of admission to the pictures on a Saturday afternoon and some extra for some sweeties, I remember my grandmother used to give Helen my sweetie coupons from the back of the Ration Book, as she had such a sweet tooth that she would have ate her way through February and March coupons even though it was only January and stores knew we were still going to be rationed for some time to come (I didn't have a sweet tooth so always had coupons to spare). My mother, Elsie Walker lived with siblings; Edward, Betty, Beatrice and Edith in Belch Street, it was a small street with only one close and not one single Govan person I have ever met can remember it! Glasgow Braendam Link is a Company Limited by Guarantee, Registered in Scotland, No. Bishop King. What a memory. Thus, Damer saw that this decision of loading more of the socially deprived into an existing deprived area, only added to Mooreparks growing problems of joblessness, poverty, depression, drunkenness and crime. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. I went to St. Anthony's Primary School and after passing my quallies I went to St. Gerard's. I cleaned it up and he must have been watching, as he came back out to see if I had done well. 102m Harley's ice cream parlour . [6] Govan is believed to have then been part of a kingdom ruled from Dumbarton Rock, known as Alt Clut, the rock on the Clyde. Besides, authority cannot work without community and vice versa so there has to be a coming together of both sides and a change of thinking by each about how and why things get done if both parties are to do the right thing. The second outcome was a general agreement among officials to stop using the abusive term of Wine Alley as this served only to reproduce the stigma of the scheme. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. It was a real shame to junk those old tenements instead of refurbishing them. 9 Goodlad, and Meegan, 2005, p. 188, Community Power in Community Planning There existed a hospital in the area, and as quasi-religious foundations were not taxed, it had never been assigned to a sheriffdom. The main point of the Presentation was that, in an area which had lost 80% of its population (between 1951 and 2001), the re-zoning of demolished housing areas for warehousing and offices meant that there was less chance of people coming back into the area to live, as houses were needed in these areas and not anonymous commercial barns and offices. The two men, working for up to 18 hours at a time, had to be smuggled out before dawn each day. It was just before I packed in this job that I met Sean Damer when he came to our house to some of the family in 1974. 5 Smith, 1992, p. 4 Glasgow Green Flagstones at Jocelyn Square in front of the McLennan Arch inform us that this was the site of public executions in the city until 1865. [15], With Morris Pollok as its first Provost, the Burgh and its Commissioners ensured that during the next 48 years Govan became a well-equipped, modern town. If I could I would have bought many! Pagini similare. I've looked at several sites like this, in search of a memory or a photo and never found a thing - yet it was a Govan institution. Not Now. Interest. I went to St.Anthonys then St.Gerards, great days, I went back in the 70s and hardly recognized anything, even the people were different, if anybody has any info. I was born in 23 McGregor Street Teucharhill in 1962 and remember my mum waiting until the last minute and getting a lift to the polling station, promising to vote for whichever party candidate provided the transport (aye right) still though when the 70s arrived I would have voted for the blonde wummin shouting through a megaphone at the end of the street even though I'd no idea what she was on about or what party she represented, she was a bit of a belter called Margo MacDonald. Govan's earliest recorded name may be found in the Historia regum Anglorum attributed to Symeon of Durham. My da was George Paterson, mum was Betty Paterson my child hood there was brill everyone was so friendly and you could trust everybody. Drumoyne primary it was, a year after my big brother Robert started (about 53) then on to Govan High School, that was the one which caught fire when I was due to sit my O levels (no excuses). We left govan to go to Drumchapel. Around this time a second surveillance was being carried out on Burnside and three members of his team who had travelled to Liverpool in another car. The area was parodied in the BBC sitcom Rab C. Nesbitt, though episodes were usually filmed elsewhere. 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Here in the alley, you will find tasting rooms such as Truth Teller Winery, Baer Winery, Ancestry Cellars, Adam's Bench and the office of Woodinville Wine Country. Skater Girl. Gary Faulds. Introduction That is why this Reflection will critically examine the Moorepark experience (within the context of community planning) from before Darners time to the 1970s and the present, where it will question if there have been any real changes in attitudes between then and today or worse, are the same mistakes being repeated, and is proven good work being ignored? Hullo! Zobrazi viac od Sunny Govan Memories na Facebooku. 5 Within a years, Moorepark had gained the abusive epithet of the Wine Alley. [29], Kvrner of Norway, as part of a planned development of a large international shipbuilding group, took over Govan. I think he lived in Partick and had 2 little girls. Run by a tall slim guy whose son was a racing cyclist ? These were not cleared until well into the 1970s. Media/news company. We moved to Cardonald when I was very small but used to go back to Govan all the time and stay with my grannie at 711 Govan Road, above McLarens Newsagents. Curtis Govan, 23, was convicted in July of rape, involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, aggravated indecent assault, terroristic threats, unlawful restraint, simple assault, resisting arrest,. The barbers shop was called "Knop & Joyce" and was at 26 Langlands Road, it opened in 1929 and Harry Knop lived in the next close at 34 Langlands Road. I learned then that Govan as I knew it had obviously changed (the three picture houses were gone) but was still a thriving community. We would also put on a concert in one of the vacant stores that Helen's brother and his wife had access to, the women would make hot peas and vinegar and listen to us all singing and dancing out of sync, but what memories, what sheer fun, I wouldn't trade it for the world today. Somehow the government cannot understand that external improvements can only benefit any dilapidated area by not only improving its external image but also by giving the local residents a sense of Well-Being. [30] British Shipbuilders' sale of Govan to the Norwegian firm was completed in 1988, and the yard was renamed Kvaerner Govan. [17][18], A prominent feature of the Govan landscape was the Doomster or Moot Hill, which stood near the river, north of the present Govan Cross. It was dedicated to St Constantine, who had been buried at Govan. I lived with my aunt and uncle (Mary Steven, Mailey) my aunt was a cook in Ibrox. Also, among the plans for Govans hub was a programme to make Govans main shopping area more attractive such as joining Govans Market, Shopping Centre, Underground and bus depot together under the one roof. Then the area - close to Rangers home at Ibrox - had a reputation for deprivation and poverty having been built in the 1930s to relieve overcrowding in the Gorbals. I remember at one time there were thirteen of us staying in the house including the lassie across the street who came to stay for a night and more or less remained there for about five years. Instead, it referred to the popularity of cheap and powerful tonic wines particularly with young people - the vast consumption of which would often lead to violence and disorder. It was absolutely awesome growing up in Govan, lots of shops, such as; Galbraiths, Dands Bobby's, David's butchers, BrotherSoft paper shop, modern book shop, and Woolworths, we had a great wee doctors surgery on Langlands Road, Peacocks bakery, Nicholls store and Amey's cafe. Not Now. From terrace proud to alley base I know thee as my mother's face. The man caught in the earlier operation with 50,000 of drugs in Helen Street was given six years. I also went to the Glasgow City Mission which was in Kintra Street, how I loved my childhood. I used to walk up Neptune Street between the two grandparents homes, but even that seems to have been cut off. We all went to Harmony Row school because that was where our mother went and she wanted us to have the same teachers she had, and there were a few left from when she attended there. pigella miraculous ladybug power. . My great grandfather lived at 67 Garmouth Street with his 3 daughters. I stayed in Govan in the early 60's first in a tenement at 118 Govan Road, we stayed in the top storey mum, dad, me, my sister, and baby brother. We protect your brands globally and help consumers find your wines. I've been back to visit my relatives several times, but the old places are gone. [21], The area has had a reputation for deprivation and poverty, partly due to the construction of housing estates in the 1930s to relieve the overcrowded slum district of The Gorbals, Glasgow. The latest victory for the SNP was in the 2007 Scottish parliamentary elections, when Nicola Sturgeon became the MSP for the constituency. 1 Damer, 1989, (passim), Life in theWine Alley During my first year studying sociology I came across Damer again in the form of a book that he had written about poverty and deprivation in the Wine Alley but put it to the back of my mind. Without a home, mankind has no place. Socialites Karrueche Tran, left, and Christina Milian attend the Los Angeles premiere of Fox's 'Empire' at ArcLight Cinemas Cinerama Dome on January 6, 2015 in Hollywood, California. Following the five convictions, the man who led the investigation, detective superintendent Joe Jackson, received several letters from grateful Wine Alley residents. The faults were caused mainly by a lack of insulation and waterproofing at the joints in the concrete panels, which made up the structure. Our first daughter was born in 1962, and then when she was six months old, we went to Toronto, Canada. Police Scotland. The evidence they gathered was crucial and the jury was able to see the gang operating on the video footage shown to them. I was born in 1952 and lived in Golspie Street until I was 10 when we moved to Garthamlock. Glasgow Braendam Link, Pearce Institute, 840 Govan Road, Govan, Glasgow, G51 3UU dealing, drug abuse, and money lending had flourished in a big way since 1975, which only added to the schemes wretchedness. This company continued until 1965, when it filed for bankruptcy. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can The idea behind the hotel was to employ local people and to draw in money to the area. Vezi mai multe de la Sunny Govan Memories pe Facebook. Pauline Belkadi: Thanks for the name of the shop 'Bobby's'. Got in with the wrong crowd in Wine Alley,Govan, Glasgow,(Rab C Nesbitt Country) usual stuff to start with theft,housebreakings(Burglary to those from England), theft of and from motor vehicles, local gang wars etc, then got into some serious crime such as armed robbery, Gun running between Stranraer to Belfast, serious assaults(GBH), . Knowing a house which was empty he pre-emptively sought approval from the council to use it as part of the operation. Used to jump the dykes with my brother Kenneth. I am looking for the name of a barbers shop that was on Langlands Road at Helen street end. We didn't have an inside toilet but had to use one on the landing which served two other families. The yard eventually closed in the wake of the collapse of the Upper Clyde Shipbuilders consortium in 1971.[35]. My paternal grandfather was an engine keeper for the Phoenix Copper Works, and lived on Brighton Street. Only neighbours I remember were children Mary and her younger brother James Haggerty who lived in same close which I think was 95 Golspie Street. One hypothesis is that it was a prehistoric burial mound. My dad was taken in to see the wee boy, turns out it was me. Through the ages people have lived in houses, building them according to the climate, topography, the material available, and the social and cultural ideas of the time. I was born in 1961. Town officials arranged for the deepening of the Clyde in 1759, the reclamation of the channels between the islands (The Whyte Inch, The Black Inch, and The King's Inch), and the construction of quays and docks. Great memories of Summertown Road baths. It would also mean long hours of up to 18 hours day in unpleasant conditions. Been looking at the old pictures of Govan and wondered if anyone remembers my father's Chemist/Optician shop at Govan Cross near Helen St, 830 Govan Road. Reply. They share a rivalry with St Anthony's F.C. Sources 14). For those who did move in, it was not a matter of them wanting to live in the area, it was more a case of people with little or no choice about where they could stay. The wines were delicious but unfortunately out of my price range. Community service. They also discovered in the early days that one gang member was driving about in hired cars. My father "served his time" in the Thermotank then for many years was a policeman in Plantation Street. Where was this democratic, progressive authority when it built the shambolic Gorbals tower block scheme? However, given the area's reputation there was also a large numbers of empty houses. During the Viking Age, following the sack of Dumbarton Rock in 870, Govan is believed to have been one of the major centres of the Kingdom of Strathclyde. Again, as happened in Moorepark in the mid 1970s, selective letting policies resulted in the housing of people who suffered not only from economic deprivation but had many related social problems of drink, drugs, and petty theft. HP10 9TY. Napier's Shipyard in Govan was later acquired by William Beardmore and Company in 1876 and incorporated into William Beardmore and Company in around 1900. Replies. The Govan of my parents had gone, the works and the jobs and the people they spoke about had all gone. People were in tears when that shop closed and I'm really delighted that I played a small walk-on part in a Govan institution! Hi there, just wondering if anyone has any info or stories on the Slaters, Mckechnies or Hutchisons, hope to hear back. It was regarded at the time as perhaps the worst slum in Britain, and the people who lived there were treated like vermin by the authorities whom we treated likewise. I liked Daddy Boyd although I never had him as a teacher, he was in charge of the rowing club of which I enjoyed many an hour on the Clyde. Laurel Brook. Get directions. He was able to give police precise details of the drug operation Burnside was running and the names of his associates. Built in the early 1930s by the 1970s the Wine Ally had developed a fearsome reputation, the council "modernised" it and tried to reintroduce the original n. Sources I loved Govan how all the woman watched as we played there was always an adult around and if they were not outside you knew exactly where to find them sitting in a house having a cup of tea great great days I wish we had lived in Govan longer than my 5 years but we always had many visits back to see relies and old neighbours. I remember my mum and dad and telling me how Govan was full of works, tenements, shops and pubs and how it was a vibrant place, this was very different from 1970s Govan that I grew up in, instead it was like a town after the blitz, I remember large areas of spare ground where the tenements and shops once stood, I remember playing in the old derelict tenements and works and in the rubble of demolished tenements, in the old tenements in Orkney Street we pretended to pour pints in the old Albert Bar. I have been looking up my family history and her father Michael and all his brothers and sisters were born in Govan between 1884 and 1896.
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